When is not breaking the rules, breaking the rules?

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Random poll for no reason

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× 17 (33.33%) If people talk about it or in it, it's not spam

× 3 (5.88%) If it's a complete copy/paste job from someone else, it's not spam.

× 31 (60.78%) Still don't get it...


  • Added 07-24-2014 04:09 PM
  • 51 votes
When your threads don't have conversations following them.
" I can't keep [it] up right now, as soon as I get enough to feed it, I have to play forever just to give it some water. Then it falls asleep." -smrnov
Oh man, I was really hoping this had a link to some other site since I can't find news I don't care about on my own.
Adding nothing constructive to a thread near you

What exactly is the point of this thread?
Originally Posted by B8TINGU
So Obisidan Tides was granted the "Big Boy Panties" of the day, and has decided that what I am doing is spamming the site. While posting pictures of ads from retailers and completely copying other sites' write-ups and news blurbs is not spamming the site.

B8TINGU has said that posting in the forums is not spam. Posting ANYTHING in the forums is not spam.

Roll Tide has PM'd me telling me that MY posting ANYTHING in the forums is spam.


So just giving you all some transparency as to what this latest poll is about. Mods are not on the same page, not treating things the same, and generally not doing anything to prevent it, at least in a big picture sense. I know Eric is furiously working on that filter. But a filter is not going to solve the inherent issue that there's nothing in place to prevent pointless, needless spam on this site.

Now here we are. Lunar Tides is being "Mr. Big Bad Site Moderator" and coming at me. When all I am doing is, rather vocally, exposing a very clear flaw in an otherwise great idea the site has. Promoting discussions/threads/conversations is a great thing. Having nothing in place to....curate said discussions is bad. There's no system in place to stop spam. Building a filter is a single point fix. Something to appease someone one person at a time. Changing the way you view contributions or the way you encourage contributions is what is needed. Silencing a demonstrator is not going to fix the broken system. Sweeping it under the rug is not going to help.

There is something bigger that needs to take place, but nobody wants to admit that. So do with that what you will. I'm doing my part. Whether or not some people agree with the method, the end result needs to me systemic change. Not silencing a critic.
" I can't keep [it] up right now, as soon as I get enough to feed it, I have to play forever just to give it some water. Then it falls asleep." -smrnov



So now we get into semantics, "frequent posting" vs "spam". Perhaps a new poll shall be created so we can all discuss what frequent posting is and what spam is.

Oh, PS: "I don't have enough forum posts" was also tongue-in-cheek. Condiments was a legit post.

So I don't feel comfortable having you be the judge of what frequent posting is vs spam. But hey, I don't have the fancy green title next to my name, so what do I know about my own posts.
" I can't keep [it] up right now, as soon as I get enough to feed it, I have to play forever just to give it some water. Then it falls asleep." -smrnov
If you'd like to talk in the open, that's your choice. There's no need to twist words, however. No one has claimed "anything" you post is spam. As I already pointed out to you, there is a difference between a post with content that contributes to the community versus specific threads you've made recently that don't meet such standards.

In any case, how we deal with other members is obviously kept independent and private, so while we welcome people using PM's or reports to draw our attention to an issue, you can't expect such matters to be addressed publicly.
Well my personal feelings, no idea where the site is going to end up, is that all those useless/random thought polls you did were fine. We can ignore them and move on. The reposting of Quickz posts I felt were obviously across the line, you were clearly trying to find the line, and I avoided those like the plague because I don't want to get caught up in it.

His posts about Gamestop pre-orders (ads) or reposting god knows how many other site's new stores is actually game related and someone might care about those things. I for one don't care about 90% of it, but /shrug I'm sure someone here knows who Red Hood is and is probably excited that they can get him in their Batman game. I dunno.

I think once Eric gets the ignore feature in and you don't ever see his stuff it'll be less of an issue. I really think the problem is largely he posts a TON and none of it is original content. And I think the problem with the site forums is you can't 'easily' browse the forums and ignore the Batman forum for example. We have so few forums, I know there are tons under each game, but we can't browse them easily. I think we all just use the icon that shows all unread, which means we see more than we want. And if you only log in once per day, well it quickly gets overwhelming, and once it's overwhelming, you don't want to participate. That is how I think Quick's posting style is hurting the site, even though he's 'technically' within the rules of posting.

Edit: now Obsidian posted too and I got in the middle of it. Damn I need to learn to keep my opinions to myself, sorry guys. Ignore my post above.
No worries, it's fine to bring up valid concerns. I have to say, one of the nice things about having an active developer for a community is the ability to incorporate features on the go. It doesn't have to be set in stone.
I personally don't see how a "got smartphone" or "use Facebook" thread contributes in any way to the community, when that is the entire amount if text in the opening post. QN has even publicly flaunted that he is abusing the forums to increase his epenis, er, post count. Dacoto is merely arguing the absurd with the absurd to blatantly show how absurd his posts are and a general lack of action or consistency by the mods.


but hey, what do I know, I'm the "nothing constrictive" guy.
Adding nothing constructive to a thread near you

What exactly is the point of this thread?
Originally Posted by B8TINGU
I agree that Quick's post are technically within the bounds of the site, but it does need to be done in moderation and original material. The excess of posts and recycling of news is, in my opinion, crossing the line and should be considered as spam.

Knowing dacoto better than most people on this site, you have to look at this post in the filter of that is his input of trying to improve the GTN. dacoto was (still is) the biggest asshat on 360v, but he did provide a lot of valuable feedback and suggestions for the site.
He was (still is) the biggest asshat on 360v, but he did provide a lot of valuable feedback and suggestions for the site.
Originally Posted by pTartTX
Quick or Dacoto is an asshat?
Quick or Dacoto is an asshat?
Originally Posted by Kaens
Fixed it (along with some grammatical errors)
i dont care either way, but today was entertaining, so thank you!
You lack a vital quality found in all Sith. Sith have no fear, and I sense much fear in you."
I agree that Quick's post are technically within the bounds of the site, but it does need to be done in moderation and original material. The excess of posts and recycling of news is, in my opinion, crossing the line and should be considered as spam.
Originally Posted by pTartTX
This is why we're working with him to improve the quality of his posts. Believe it or not, he has shown improvement since he began. I don't really believe that a static reaction of closing/deleting every thread that isn't up to snuff is productive for anyone.

Knowing dacoto better than most people on this site, you have to look at this post in the filter of that is his input of trying to improve the GTN. dacoto was (still is) the biggest asshat on 360v, but he did provide a lot of valuable feedback and suggestions for the site.
I'm aware of his intentions, I only ask that he go about it in a mature way. A simple PM or a single thread in the correct forum to discuss the problem will always earn better results.
This is what I was worried about when 3v support died. As a convicted spammer felon, it's my addictive duty to add absolutely nothing constructive to any conversation unless it directly applies to my, or I violate my spam-parole.


Spam.

Honestly though, the recent influx has actually detered my enjoyment of the site. Too many [censored] have violated this once innocent site.
I personally don't see how a "got smartphone" or "use Facebook" thread contributes in any way to the community, when that is the entire amount if text in the opening post. QN has even publicly flaunted that he is abusing the forums to increase his epenis, er, post count. Dacoto is merely arguing the absurd with the absurd to blatantly show how absurd his posts are and a general lack of action or consistency by the mods.


but hey, what do I know, I'm the "not allowed to post on TA for this exact same reason" guy.
Originally Posted by Hotdogmcgee
All of this, plus I fixed it for you.
" I can't keep [it] up right now, as soon as I get enough to feed it, I have to play forever just to give it some water. Then it falls asleep." -smrnov
I'm aware of his intentions, I only ask that he go about it in a mature way. A simple PM or a single thread in the correct forum to discuss the problem will always earn better results.
Originally Posted by Obsidian Tides
Sadly I struggle to operate like that. As was just previously stated, I'm a bit more of a showman when it comes to constructive criticism. Especially when that which is being criticized against is openly/publicly supported by the very system it is destroying.

It's hard to have a grown up discussion over something so blatantly broken, yet nobody sees it as broken, was being flaunted while breaking, and is still going to be broken, without using that exact brokenness to point it out. But, like hockey, you can facewash a guy, just don't return the favor.


Guess I'll take my 2 minutes and think about what I've done.
" I can't keep [it] up right now, as soon as I get enough to feed it, I have to play forever just to give it some water. Then it falls asleep." -smrnov
It's a matter of perspective, really. I'm more inclined to see quick as a kid fighting a language barrier while posting gaming news on a game website he enjoys. As such, I'm not particularly disturbed by it.
I believe Eric appreciates the effort, too; although we provide means for getting news through GTN, we don't have a dedicated section, so any content contributed to a game's page, whether it be reviews, pictures, videos, discussions or anything else, is welcome.

If it eases your mind, this topic has already been a staff discussion for over a month now. While it may not be public, there's still no reason to assume we'd just ignore an issue.
I find all of this hilarious. The fact that anyone actually cares what other people are posting is insane to me. I come to the site to track my progress, talk to some friends, and enjoy what the site has to offer. I wake up, look at 500 unread posts (not reading all of them) and quickly hit the read all button. It has no effect on my day at all. There are too many real things to worry about and a guy who posts a lot is not one of them.

Good fun to read all the delicious spam...spam is yummy.
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